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If you are purchasing a light to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) medium duty router (Techno Isel, Multicam, CNT Motion, Axys, etc.), then that is your only 3 phase issue. Most of those machines probably only need 3-phase to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run the spindle, as the balance of the system runs on 110v or single phase 220v input.

Larger, very heavy duty machines that cost $100k plus might be a different s to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )ry. I don't know that I would want to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) get in to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) that class of machine without 3-phase.

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Our shop is run completely on phase converters. They include cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) panel saw, router, boring-dowel insertion machine, widebelt sander, dust collection system and bander.

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Our shop is also completely run on 3 phase converter. cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) routers, etc. - no problem. Just buy a good converter, as there is a lot of crap out there on the market. Brownouts? Low voltage at startup? Don't know what that is all about, but we have been on a converter for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )18 years and never a problem.

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We use Arco 150 hp phase converters. Run Komo 16 hp, moulders, cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) panel saws, cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) shape and sand, etc. Never had an outage of any color because of it. The main thing you must remember is that the generated leg will always produce higher voltage in an unloaded state. This leg should never go to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) the control side of equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )! Also, this will throw the 120 degree phased out unloaded.

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Thank you. Is 200 amp service line enough to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run a converter for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )one cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) router such as Komo or Hein, an edgebander, a panel router, a line boring machine, a dowel machine, and dust collection?

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Just need to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) add up the amp load and see. Should not be more than 80% of nameplate amp draw. Call Arco Electric, Shelbyville, Indiana. They have been very helpful to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) us over the years in our power needs. Arco's Ro to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )-Phase converters are the to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )p in the industry. They make many different converters for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) machines. We have converters that have run every work day for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )21 years.

We have 3 phase power about 2000 ft. from our shop and the power company wants about $70k a mile to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run the lines, plus to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) put us on a demand meter.

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We got estimates for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )our 3 phase service just down the road at $40K plus demand. I have just bought my second phase converter in 18 years. We worked with Kay Industries, the Phasemaster people, on our latest purchase. They were recommended by our cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) manufacturer, Multicam. Very good unit so far. Be aware that there is a lot of crap out there on the market. ARCO and Kay have been around for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )a long time. Shop wisely. We also have a 200 amp service and run with no problem. With only a 5 man shop, we never have all equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) running at the same time.

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My shop is all phase converters as well, with cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ). Try Gen Tec - they make a cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) balanced converter. I also recommend running the cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) on a dedicated converter (no other machines hooked up). That way you will not experience any voltage drop if other machines are starting up. It is mainly for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )the stability of the voltage to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) the computer and inverter.

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However, if you are going to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) have a 10hp spindle, then to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) get full power you'll need a 20hp inverter. On our system, we never push our 10hp spindle past a 5hp demand load. As such, we get by with a 10hp single phase input inverter. I've been running this way for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )over 2 years on my current router, and did the same with a 7 1/2hp inverter and a 5hp spindle on my previous router.

If you are purchasing a light to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) medium duty router (Techno Isel, Multicam, CNT Motion, Axys, etc.), then that is your only 3 phase issue. Most of those machines probably only need 3-phase to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run the spindle, as the balance of the system runs on 110v or single phase 220v input.

Larger, very heavy duty machines that cost $100k plus might be a different s to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )ry. I don't know that I would want to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) get in to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) that class of machine without 3-phase.

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Our shop is run completely on phase converters. They include cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) panel saw, router, boring-dowel insertion machine, widebelt sander, dust collection system and bander.

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Our shop is also completely run on 3 phase converter. cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) routers, etc. - no problem. Just buy a good converter, as there is a lot of crap out there on the market. Brownouts? Low voltage at startup? Don't know what that is all about, but we have been on a converter for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )18 years and never a problem.

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We use Arco 150 hp phase converters. Run Komo 16 hp, moulders, cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) panel saws, cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) shape and sand, etc. Never had an outage of any color because of it. The main thing you must remember is that the generated leg will always produce higher voltage in an unloaded state. This leg should never go to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) the control side of equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )! Also, this will throw the 120 degree phased out unloaded.

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From the original questioner:

Thank you. Is 200 amp service line enough to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run a converter for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )one cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) router such as Komo or Hein, an edgebander, a panel router, a line boring machine, a dowel machine, and dust collection?

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Just need to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) add up the amp load and see. Should not be more than 80% of nameplate amp draw. Call Arco Electric, Shelbyville, Indiana. They have been very helpful to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) us over the years in our power needs. Arco's Ro to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )-Phase converters are the to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )p in the industry. They make many different converters for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) machines. We have converters that have run every work day for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )21 years.

We have 3 phase power about 2000 ft. from our shop and the power company wants about $70k a mile to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run the lines, plus to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) put us on a demand meter.

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We got estimates for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )our 3 phase service just down the road at $40K plus demand. I have just bought my second phase converter in 18 years. We worked with Kay Industries, the Phasemaster people, on our latest purchase. They were recommended by our cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) manufacturer, Multicam. Very good unit so far. Be aware that there is a lot of crap out there on the market. ARCO and Kay have been around for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )a long time. Shop wisely. We also have a 200 amp service and run with no problem. With only a 5 man shop, we never have all equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) running at the same time.

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My shop is all phase converters as well, with cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ). Try Gen Tec - they make a cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) balanced converter. I also recommend running the cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) on a dedicated converter (no other machines hooked up). That way you will not experience any voltage drop if other machines are starting up. It is mainly for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )the stability of the voltage to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) the computer and inverter.

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The comments below were added after this Forum discussion was archived as a Knowledge Base article (add your comment).

Comment from contribu to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )r J:

We run most of our equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) on phase converters. The biggest problem with phase converters is that they are only 78% efficient, meaning you pay 22% in your electrical bill and get nothing for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )it. We just switched to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) an VFD (variable frequency drive) and this will provide the third leg needed for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )your 3 phase machinery. The VFD is 98% efficient, and when your machinery is not running the VFD is not running.

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If you are purchasing a light to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) medium duty router (Techno Isel, Multicam, CNT Motion, Axys, etc.), then that is your only 3 phase issue. Most of those machines probably only need 3-phase to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run the spindle, as the balance of the system runs on 110v or single phase 220v input.

Larger, very heavy duty machines that cost $100k plus might be a different s to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )ry. I don't know that I would want to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) get in to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) that class of machine without 3-phase.

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Our shop is run completely on phase converters. They include cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) panel saw, router, boring-dowel insertion machine, widebelt sander, dust collection system and bander.

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Our shop is also completely run on 3 phase converter. cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) routers, etc. - no problem. Just buy a good converter, as there is a lot of crap out there on the market. Brownouts? Low voltage at startup? Don't know what that is all about, but we have been on a converter for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )18 years and never a problem.

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We use Arco 150 hp phase converters. Run Komo 16 hp, moulders, cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) panel saws, cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) shape and sand, etc. Never had an outage of any color because of it. The main thing you must remember is that the generated leg will always produce higher voltage in an unloaded state. This leg should never go to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) the control side of equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )! Also, this will throw the 120 degree phased out unloaded.

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From the original questioner:

Thank you. Is 200 amp service line enough to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run a converter for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )one cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) router such as Komo or Hein, an edgebander, a panel router, a line boring machine, a dowel machine, and dust collection?

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Just need to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) add up the amp load and see. Should not be more than 80% of nameplate amp draw. Call Arco Electric, Shelbyville, Indiana. They have been very helpful to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) us over the years in our power needs. Arco's Ro to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )-Phase converters are the to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )p in the industry. They make many different converters for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) machines. We have converters that have run every work day for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )21 years.

We have 3 phase power about 2000 ft. from our shop and the power company wants about $70k a mile to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run the lines, plus to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) put us on a demand meter.

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We got estimates for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )our 3 phase service just down the road at $40K plus demand. I have just bought my second phase converter in 18 years. We worked with Kay Industries, the Phasemaster people, on our latest purchase. They were recommended by our cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) manufacturer, Multicam. Very good unit so far. Be aware that there is a lot of crap out there on the market. ARCO and Kay have been around for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )a long time. Shop wisely. We also have a 200 amp service and run with no problem. With only a 5 man shop, we never have all equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) running at the same time.

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My shop is all phase converters as well, with cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ). Try Gen Tec - they make a cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) balanced converter. I also recommend running the cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) on a dedicated converter (no other machines hooked up). That way you will not experience any voltage drop if other machines are starting up. It is mainly for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )the stability of the voltage to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) the computer and inverter.

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Our shop is run completely on phase converters. They include cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) panel saw, router, boring-dowel insertion machine, widebelt sander, dust collection system and bander.

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Our shop is also completely run on 3 phase converter. cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) routers, etc. - no problem. Just buy a good converter, as there is a lot of crap out there on the market. Brownouts? Low voltage at startup? Don't know what that is all about, but we have been on a converter for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )18 years and never a problem.

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We use Arco 150 hp phase converters. Run Komo 16 hp, moulders, cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) panel saws, cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) shape and sand, etc. Never had an outage of any color because of it. The main thing you must remember is that the generated leg will always produce higher voltage in an unloaded state. This leg should never go to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) the control side of equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )! Also, this will throw the 120 degree phased out unloaded.

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From the original questioner:

Thank you. Is 200 amp service line enough to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run a converter for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )one cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) router such as Komo or Hein, an edgebander, a panel router, a line boring machine, a dowel machine, and dust collection?

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Just need to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) add up the amp load and see. Should not be more than 80% of nameplate amp draw. Call Arco Electric, Shelbyville, Indiana. They have been very helpful to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) us over the years in our power needs. Arco's Ro to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )-Phase converters are the to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )p in the industry. They make many different converters for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) machines. We have converters that have run every work day for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )21 years.

We have 3 phase power about 2000 ft. from our shop and the power company wants about $70k a mile to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run the lines, plus to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) put us on a demand meter.

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We got estimates for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )our 3 phase service just down the road at $40K plus demand. I have just bought my second phase converter in 18 years. We worked with Kay Industries, the Phasemaster people, on our latest purchase. They were recommended by our cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) manufacturer, Multicam. Very good unit so far. Be aware that there is a lot of crap out there on the market. ARCO and Kay have been around for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )a long time. Shop wisely. We also have a 200 amp service and run with no problem. With only a 5 man shop, we never have all equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) running at the same time.

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My shop is all phase converters as well, with cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ). Try Gen Tec - they make a cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) balanced converter. I also recommend running the cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) on a dedicated converter (no other machines hooked up). That way you will not experience any voltage drop if other machines are starting up. It is mainly for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )the stability of the voltage to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) the computer and inverter.

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However, if you are going to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) have a 10hp spindle, then to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) get full power you'll need a 20hp inverter. On our system, we never push our 10hp spindle past a 5hp demand load. As such, we get by with a 10hp single phase input inverter. I've been running this way for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )over 2 years on my current router, and did the same with a 7 1/2hp inverter and a 5hp spindle on my previous router.

If you are purchasing a light to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) medium duty router (Techno Isel, Multicam, CNT Motion, Axys, etc.), then that is your only 3 phase issue. Most of those machines probably only need 3-phase to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run the spindle, as the balance of the system runs on 110v or single phase 220v input.

Larger, very heavy duty machines that cost $100k plus might be a different s to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )ry. I don't know that I would want to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) get in to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) that class of machine without 3-phase.

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Our shop is run completely on phase converters. They include cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) panel saw, router, boring-dowel insertion machine, widebelt sander, dust collection system and bander.

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Our shop is also completely run on 3 phase converter. cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) routers, etc. - no problem. Just buy a good converter, as there is a lot of crap out there on the market. Brownouts? Low voltage at startup? Don't know what that is all about, but we have been on a converter for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )18 years and never a problem.

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We use Arco 150 hp phase converters. Run Komo 16 hp, moulders, cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) panel saws, cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) shape and sand, etc. Never had an outage of any color because of it. The main thing you must remember is that the generated leg will always produce higher voltage in an unloaded state. This leg should never go to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) the control side of equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )! Also, this will throw the 120 degree phased out unloaded.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From the original questioner:

Thank you. Is 200 amp service line enough to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run a converter for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )one cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) router such as Komo or Hein, an edgebander, a panel router, a line boring machine, a dowel machine, and dust collection?

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Just need to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) add up the amp load and see. Should not be more than 80% of nameplate amp draw. Call Arco Electric, Shelbyville, Indiana. They have been very helpful to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) us over the years in our power needs. Arco's Ro to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )-Phase converters are the to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )p in the industry. They make many different converters for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) machines. We have converters that have run every work day for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )21 years.

We have 3 phase power about 2000 ft. from our shop and the power company wants about $70k a mile to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) run the lines, plus to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) put us on a demand meter.

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We got estimates for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )our 3 phase service just down the road at $40K plus demand. I have just bought my second phase converter in 18 years. We worked with Kay Industries, the Phasemaster people, on our latest purchase. They were recommended by our cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) manufacturer, Multicam. Very good unit so far. Be aware that there is a lot of crap out there on the market. ARCO and Kay have been around for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )a long time. Shop wisely. We also have a 200 amp service and run with no problem. With only a 5 man shop, we never have all equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) running at the same time.

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My shop is all phase converters as well, with cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ). Try Gen Tec - they make a cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) balanced converter. I also recommend running the cnc (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )sale ) on a dedicated converter (no other machines hooked up). That way you will not experience any voltage drop if other machines are starting up. It is mainly for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )the stability of the voltage to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) the computer and inverter.

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The comments below were added after this Forum discussion was archived as a Knowledge Base article (add your comment).

Comment from contribu to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )r J:

We run most of our equipment (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) on phase converters. The biggest problem with phase converters is that they are only 78% efficient, meaning you pay 22% in your electrical bill and get nothing for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )it. We just switched to (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale ) an VFD (variable frequency drive) and this will provide the third leg needed for (cnc routers, used cnc routers, cnc routers for sale )your 3 phase machinery. The VFD is 98% efficient, and when your machinery is not running the VFD is not running.